1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:25,150 foreign 2 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:30,050 pale emotionless face 3 00:00:34,390 --> 00:00:33,170 the blackest diet 4 00:00:39,410 --> 00:00:34,400 the devil's eyes 5 00:00:43,090 --> 00:00:41,690 you take the red pill you stay in 6 00:00:51,160 --> 00:00:43,100 Wonderland 7 00:01:17,210 --> 00:00:57,070 [Music] 8 00:01:20,210 --> 00:01:18,649 welcome to another episode of 9 00:01:22,969 --> 00:01:20,220 subconscious Realms I'm your host 10 00:01:26,810 --> 00:01:22,979 General Lee and for tonight we are about 11 00:01:29,870 --> 00:01:26,820 to start into a more a more fascinating 12 00:01:32,570 --> 00:01:29,880 Realms ladies and Gentlemen please 13 00:01:35,929 --> 00:01:32,580 welcome he is an author and he's a host 14 00:01:40,609 --> 00:01:35,939 of creator of hero paranormal 15 00:01:45,950 --> 00:01:40,619 um Ryan Burns now they're right 16 00:01:48,410 --> 00:01:45,960 how you doing glad to join you right yes 17 00:01:51,109 --> 00:01:48,420 finally I've been speaking to you for a 18 00:01:55,130 --> 00:01:53,569 um word of a beginning I mean I first 19 00:01:58,190 --> 00:01:55,140 heard about you 20 00:01:59,810 --> 00:01:58,200 um I think he was on high side chats a 21 00:02:01,069 --> 00:01:59,820 long time 22 00:02:03,710 --> 00:02:01,079 and 23 00:02:07,190 --> 00:02:03,720 you know I've I've heard you on I think 24 00:02:09,290 --> 00:02:07,200 it was it's forbidden knowledge as well 25 00:02:11,750 --> 00:02:09,300 mm-hmm 26 00:02:14,690 --> 00:02:11,760 um yeah the episodes were 27 00:02:17,830 --> 00:02:14,700 very interested just my kind of thing 28 00:02:23,630 --> 00:02:17,840 like like uh I'm gonna say weird 29 00:02:27,050 --> 00:02:25,490 it's all right 30 00:02:29,930 --> 00:02:27,060 um 31 00:02:31,850 --> 00:02:29,940 like I know you were 32 00:02:33,770 --> 00:02:31,860 you do you still have the place it's uh 33 00:02:38,270 --> 00:02:33,780 next to Skinwalker Ranch 34 00:02:41,930 --> 00:02:38,280 yes I I purchased a property that sat 35 00:02:44,030 --> 00:02:41,940 abandoned for some time it it was known 36 00:02:47,630 --> 00:02:44,040 as the southern Vantage Point kind of a 37 00:02:50,390 --> 00:02:47,640 place where all of the researchers would 38 00:02:54,770 --> 00:02:50,400 go because you had such a great 360 39 00:02:56,930 --> 00:02:54,780 degree view of the entire area there and 40 00:03:00,770 --> 00:02:56,940 since I purchased it I named it space 41 00:03:03,770 --> 00:03:00,780 Wolf research and it's just 42 00:03:05,330 --> 00:03:03,780 a space Wolf research and we've just 43 00:03:08,210 --> 00:03:05,340 used it as a base camp to do 44 00:03:10,790 --> 00:03:08,220 investigations research and uh 45 00:03:13,610 --> 00:03:10,800 experiment with different Technologies 46 00:03:16,250 --> 00:03:13,620 and do some scientific work there 47 00:03:18,589 --> 00:03:16,260 oh really what what um if you don't mind 48 00:03:19,490 --> 00:03:18,599 me asking what kind of research was he 49 00:03:23,449 --> 00:03:19,500 doing me 50 00:03:26,509 --> 00:03:23,459 we have done a ton uh let's see 51 00:03:28,630 --> 00:03:26,519 um I've utilized everything from God 52 00:03:32,869 --> 00:03:28,640 helmets 53 00:03:36,110 --> 00:03:32,879 yeah which is a it's a uh invention of a 54 00:03:39,589 --> 00:03:36,120 Dr Persinger originally made for stroke 55 00:03:42,170 --> 00:03:39,599 victims to kind of activate areas of the 56 00:03:45,589 --> 00:03:42,180 brain that had uh laid to the Wayside 57 00:03:48,530 --> 00:03:45,599 but what people found is that this 58 00:03:51,670 --> 00:03:48,540 particular device or technology would 59 00:03:56,210 --> 00:03:51,680 almost without question have that 60 00:03:59,570 --> 00:03:56,220 sensation of talking to God or spiritual 61 00:04:02,330 --> 00:03:59,580 entities which seem to almost mimic the 62 00:04:04,309 --> 00:04:02,340 DMT experience and so they they dubbed 63 00:04:05,930 --> 00:04:04,319 it the god helmet and it's a technology 64 00:04:09,350 --> 00:04:05,940 which can be turned on and off 65 00:04:11,570 --> 00:04:09,360 electrical and so you don't have any of 66 00:04:14,390 --> 00:04:11,580 the drawbacks of uh 67 00:04:16,189 --> 00:04:14,400 the biological drawbacks of actually 68 00:04:18,349 --> 00:04:16,199 taking DMT 69 00:04:22,310 --> 00:04:18,359 and of course it's not illegal which is 70 00:04:26,530 --> 00:04:22,320 always a plus and the we so we've used 71 00:04:30,409 --> 00:04:26,540 everything from God helmets to ancient 72 00:04:33,170 --> 00:04:30,419 Peruvian Stone heads basically large 73 00:04:37,370 --> 00:04:33,180 Stone heads that were carved 74 00:04:39,710 --> 00:04:37,380 um in Peru and we had them shipped up 75 00:04:41,090 --> 00:04:39,720 legally up up to the United States and 76 00:04:43,490 --> 00:04:41,100 we've placed those throughout the 77 00:04:45,710 --> 00:04:43,500 property to kind of use Ancient 78 00:04:47,450 --> 00:04:45,720 Technologies as well as newer more 79 00:04:50,030 --> 00:04:47,460 Cutting Edge Technologies and to be 80 00:04:52,670 --> 00:04:50,040 honest everything in between and they 81 00:04:55,490 --> 00:04:52,680 all have different effects 82 00:04:57,170 --> 00:04:55,500 so do you do you use like each so you're 83 00:05:01,249 --> 00:04:57,180 using the god element and you're using 84 00:05:03,350 --> 00:05:01,259 these these um these so we said skulls 85 00:05:04,610 --> 00:05:03,360 things that Peru they say Peru yeah 86 00:05:05,930 --> 00:05:04,620 Peruvian 87 00:05:08,330 --> 00:05:05,940 mm-hmm 88 00:05:10,010 --> 00:05:08,340 you can see using them like all at the 89 00:05:12,590 --> 00:05:10,020 same time or do you use them separately 90 00:05:15,110 --> 00:05:12,600 or how does it work 91 00:05:17,689 --> 00:05:15,120 oh did you just mix it up like 92 00:05:20,810 --> 00:05:17,699 yeah mix it up you said it that's the 93 00:05:23,210 --> 00:05:20,820 big key is mixing it up and seeing if if 94 00:05:26,510 --> 00:05:23,220 you if you come across any patterns 95 00:05:30,909 --> 00:05:26,520 right okay sounds fascinating 96 00:05:32,990 --> 00:05:30,919 I'm like what kind of um what kind of 97 00:05:34,189 --> 00:05:33,000 reactions do you get out and what 98 00:05:36,790 --> 00:05:34,199 results 99 00:05:44,210 --> 00:05:39,950 does it all depend 100 00:05:46,730 --> 00:05:44,220 it really all depends and the reason the 101 00:05:49,670 --> 00:05:46,740 reason we've decided to use such a wide 102 00:05:51,110 --> 00:05:49,680 array of different Technologies and 103 00:05:54,529 --> 00:05:51,120 everything in between 104 00:05:58,550 --> 00:05:54,539 um mirrors candles you name it uh Toys 105 00:06:00,650 --> 00:05:58,560 children's toys that these these what I 106 00:06:03,110 --> 00:06:00,660 like to call precognitive intelligences 107 00:06:06,290 --> 00:06:03,120 can actually 108 00:06:09,950 --> 00:06:06,300 play with or engage with what we're 109 00:06:12,830 --> 00:06:09,960 trying to do is basically anticipate 110 00:06:15,710 --> 00:06:12,840 when this takes place and experiment 111 00:06:20,110 --> 00:06:15,720 with things that might bring about 112 00:06:26,029 --> 00:06:22,790 with am I 113 00:06:28,930 --> 00:06:26,039 am I correct to assume like 114 00:06:31,790 --> 00:06:28,940 some sort of 115 00:06:33,670 --> 00:06:31,800 maybe interdimensional being the entity 116 00:06:38,870 --> 00:06:33,680 of some sort is that what you mean 117 00:06:45,110 --> 00:06:41,510 no not very conventional but it is it it 118 00:06:47,689 --> 00:06:45,120 seems to be a non-corporeal precognitive 119 00:06:50,510 --> 00:06:47,699 sentient intelligence and by that I mean 120 00:06:52,309 --> 00:06:50,520 the precognitive part is it almost knows 121 00:06:55,490 --> 00:06:52,319 what you're thinking before you think it 122 00:06:58,790 --> 00:06:55,500 or do it and that term I didn't come up 123 00:07:00,770 --> 00:06:58,800 with that term John B Alexander came up 124 00:07:03,890 --> 00:07:00,780 with that term he's a retired senior 125 00:07:07,550 --> 00:07:03,900 army officer with Decades of experience 126 00:07:10,610 --> 00:07:07,560 uh with a wide range of phenomena and 127 00:07:14,350 --> 00:07:10,620 he's encountered things that defy 128 00:07:17,210 --> 00:07:14,360 explanation he was working with the 129 00:07:20,990 --> 00:07:17,220 nibs basically the National Institute 130 00:07:23,629 --> 00:07:21,000 for Discovery Sciences right right yeah 131 00:07:26,089 --> 00:07:23,639 under the Bigelow Administration when 132 00:07:28,969 --> 00:07:26,099 they were in the area and he came up 133 00:07:33,170 --> 00:07:28,979 with that name which I believe to date 134 00:07:40,129 --> 00:07:33,180 is the best description for 135 00:07:45,350 --> 00:07:43,249 this is like it's just sounds so excited 136 00:07:46,550 --> 00:07:45,360 this way 137 00:07:49,850 --> 00:07:46,560 um 138 00:07:49,860 --> 00:07:53,870 how yes 139 00:08:00,950 --> 00:07:57,230 this is like a 140 00:08:03,650 --> 00:08:00,960 it's like a um I'm almost like speaks as 141 00:08:06,589 --> 00:08:03,660 to what I want to say it's here I mean 142 00:08:07,490 --> 00:08:06,599 are we talking like 143 00:08:11,689 --> 00:08:07,500 um 144 00:08:14,570 --> 00:08:11,699 like gray aliens that kind are we 145 00:08:16,430 --> 00:08:14,580 talking more along the lines of 146 00:08:18,710 --> 00:08:16,440 skin markers 147 00:08:21,230 --> 00:08:18,720 that's really good that you said both of 148 00:08:23,270 --> 00:08:21,240 those things because the area in general 149 00:08:27,290 --> 00:08:23,280 has at least from a Native American 150 00:08:29,210 --> 00:08:27,300 perspective they have a history of odd 151 00:08:31,309 --> 00:08:29,220 phenomena taking place over 15 152 00:08:35,209 --> 00:08:31,319 Generations however 153 00:08:39,529 --> 00:08:35,219 this is quite literally a curse that one 154 00:08:42,829 --> 00:08:39,539 tribe the Navajo tribe uh put on the Ute 155 00:08:44,690 --> 00:08:42,839 tribe because of an altercation where 156 00:08:46,550 --> 00:08:44,700 they were basically sold out of a 157 00:08:48,530 --> 00:08:46,560 beautiful verdant Valley in San Luis 158 00:08:49,490 --> 00:08:48,540 Colorado just over the Border here from 159 00:08:52,509 --> 00:08:49,500 Utah 160 00:08:56,509 --> 00:08:52,519 and the navajos found this completely 161 00:08:58,970 --> 00:08:56,519 unforgivable and they released this 162 00:09:02,210 --> 00:08:58,980 energy this this curse of what they 163 00:09:05,329 --> 00:09:02,220 called the skin walker to curse the land 164 00:09:07,190 --> 00:09:05,339 and looking at this this is when you're 165 00:09:09,949 --> 00:09:07,200 looking at this through the lens of 166 00:09:13,610 --> 00:09:09,959 modern science it's very interesting 167 00:09:15,110 --> 00:09:13,620 because there is a lot of evidence and 168 00:09:17,570 --> 00:09:15,120 I'm glad that you mentioned the gray 169 00:09:19,850 --> 00:09:17,580 alien because there have been for lack 170 00:09:23,269 --> 00:09:19,860 of a better word areas that we tend to 171 00:09:25,670 --> 00:09:23,279 call portals where these strange 172 00:09:29,210 --> 00:09:25,680 goings-on tend to happen over and over 173 00:09:32,329 --> 00:09:29,220 again in the same particular areas it's 174 00:09:33,710 --> 00:09:32,339 fairly complex but being able to 175 00:09:36,050 --> 00:09:33,720 anticipate 176 00:09:38,389 --> 00:09:36,060 where it's going to happen and when it's 177 00:09:41,449 --> 00:09:38,399 going to happen is sort of our goal at 178 00:09:45,650 --> 00:09:41,459 space Wolf research and get the timing 179 00:09:47,750 --> 00:09:45,660 right and there have been times when for 180 00:09:49,970 --> 00:09:47,760 lack of a better word other researchers 181 00:09:51,650 --> 00:09:49,980 I've spoken with on investigations have 182 00:09:53,810 --> 00:09:51,660 come across 183 00:09:57,170 --> 00:09:53,820 something that can only be described as 184 00:10:00,470 --> 00:09:57,180 a singularity opening up into a portal 185 00:10:02,750 --> 00:10:00,480 like phenomena and as they are watching 186 00:10:05,030 --> 00:10:02,760 this portal open up they look over and 187 00:10:08,949 --> 00:10:05,040 they see what can only be described as a 188 00:10:11,449 --> 00:10:08,959 gray alien also focused on the same 189 00:10:14,829 --> 00:10:11,459 Enigma they are also looking at this 190 00:10:20,329 --> 00:10:14,839 portal manifesting so it brings together 191 00:10:22,910 --> 00:10:20,339 a wide variety of different phenomenon 192 00:10:25,430 --> 00:10:22,920 and that includes unidentified flying 193 00:10:28,190 --> 00:10:25,440 objects which are quite common in the 194 00:10:30,490 --> 00:10:28,200 area and we've experimented with like I 195 00:10:33,829 --> 00:10:30,500 said everything you can imagine 196 00:10:37,070 --> 00:10:33,839 microfluidics cell and molecular biology 197 00:10:39,470 --> 00:10:37,080 complex instrumentation biological 198 00:10:42,170 --> 00:10:39,480 systems and and we've developed some 199 00:10:44,690 --> 00:10:42,180 prototype technologies that sort of 200 00:10:46,430 --> 00:10:44,700 create an environment for visitation if 201 00:10:50,210 --> 00:10:46,440 you'd like to call it that from these 202 00:10:50,220 --> 00:10:53,090 wow 203 00:11:01,970 --> 00:10:58,130 which is like like if you know 204 00:11:04,910 --> 00:11:01,980 I have never seen anything like um 205 00:11:07,790 --> 00:11:04,920 you know such as like a a it's that much 206 00:11:08,630 --> 00:11:07,800 lensity or anything along that lines 207 00:11:10,790 --> 00:11:08,640 um 208 00:11:12,590 --> 00:11:10,800 but 209 00:11:14,090 --> 00:11:12,600 I want to see something more than 210 00:11:16,130 --> 00:11:14,100 anything 211 00:11:18,949 --> 00:11:16,140 I just don't know how I would react if I 212 00:11:21,230 --> 00:11:18,959 would say something and how 213 00:11:22,250 --> 00:11:21,240 what kind of entities have you seen Ryan 214 00:11:24,829 --> 00:11:22,260 and 215 00:11:28,009 --> 00:11:24,839 um when you first when you were 216 00:11:30,350 --> 00:11:28,019 listening initially seeing them 217 00:11:32,509 --> 00:11:30,360 how did you react at first 218 00:11:35,449 --> 00:11:32,519 if you don't mind me asking please 219 00:11:38,449 --> 00:11:35,459 not at all it's been some time my first 220 00:11:43,730 --> 00:11:38,459 uh engagement with these entities was 221 00:11:48,530 --> 00:11:43,740 back in the late 90s yeah father so you 222 00:11:54,590 --> 00:11:50,509 um it was back in the late 90s and that 223 00:11:56,389 --> 00:11:54,600 was before this location was 224 00:11:59,030 --> 00:11:56,399 you know 225 00:12:00,230 --> 00:11:59,040 Gathering so much and garnering so much 226 00:12:05,030 --> 00:12:00,240 attention 227 00:12:06,970 --> 00:12:05,040 it is definitely now uh 228 00:12:09,350 --> 00:12:06,980 the most 229 00:12:12,050 --> 00:12:09,360 scientifically studied paranormal hot 230 00:12:16,069 --> 00:12:12,060 spot on Earth but back then 231 00:12:18,470 --> 00:12:16,079 it was sort of fresh and back then there 232 00:12:21,170 --> 00:12:18,480 was no 233 00:12:24,350 --> 00:12:21,180 no way to explain how raw and rugged it 234 00:12:26,630 --> 00:12:24,360 was compared to now and 235 00:12:29,389 --> 00:12:26,640 even then however there were strange 236 00:12:32,329 --> 00:12:29,399 things going on the 237 00:12:34,069 --> 00:12:32,339 government was also involved I've since 238 00:12:35,750 --> 00:12:34,079 learned that the United States 239 00:12:38,750 --> 00:12:35,760 government has 240 00:12:42,050 --> 00:12:38,760 sort of used the phenomenon to mask some 241 00:12:45,050 --> 00:12:42,060 of its covert technology programs and in 242 00:12:46,610 --> 00:12:45,060 turn the phenomena has mimicked some of 243 00:12:49,910 --> 00:12:46,620 the United States government special 244 00:12:52,310 --> 00:12:49,920 access Technologies so there's kind of a 245 00:12:54,069 --> 00:12:52,320 complex dance you know uh that's been 246 00:12:56,829 --> 00:12:54,079 labeled 247 00:12:59,690 --> 00:12:56,839 mimicry no not at all 248 00:13:01,129 --> 00:12:59,700 just just a quick one sorry to interrupt 249 00:13:03,170 --> 00:13:01,139 me I just want you just were you saying 250 00:13:05,949 --> 00:13:03,180 that about government are we talking 251 00:13:08,870 --> 00:13:05,959 about atip 252 00:13:12,230 --> 00:13:08,880 absolutely they're well the general term 253 00:13:14,930 --> 00:13:12,240 would be uh atip and OSAP both are 254 00:13:17,050 --> 00:13:14,940 interrelated and 255 00:13:20,509 --> 00:13:17,060 um there are 256 00:13:22,569 --> 00:13:20,519 significant connections however yes that 257 00:13:25,190 --> 00:13:22,579 would be what this complex 258 00:13:27,949 --> 00:13:25,200 bi-directional mimicry was relating to 259 00:13:30,110 --> 00:13:27,959 among other things and 260 00:13:32,990 --> 00:13:30,120 um the bi-directional mimicry implies 261 00:13:35,449 --> 00:13:33,000 that investigators of the phenomena 262 00:13:38,690 --> 00:13:35,459 are peering through at least two layers 263 00:13:41,389 --> 00:13:38,700 of deception which can cause a major 264 00:13:42,949 --> 00:13:41,399 layer of confusion so you have the 265 00:13:45,590 --> 00:13:42,959 phenomenon itself 266 00:13:48,530 --> 00:13:45,600 and then you have this special 267 00:13:51,170 --> 00:13:48,540 government access technology and the 268 00:13:53,090 --> 00:13:51,180 phenomena will mimic some of the 269 00:13:57,949 --> 00:13:53,100 technology which makes things 270 00:14:00,170 --> 00:13:57,959 very confusing and convoluted and these 271 00:14:02,569 --> 00:14:00,180 covert technology programs 272 00:14:03,949 --> 00:14:02,579 really had a difficult time 273 00:14:08,150 --> 00:14:03,959 distinguishing 274 00:14:11,569 --> 00:14:08,160 data so there are a lot 275 00:14:13,370 --> 00:14:11,579 of accounts of this taking place and 276 00:14:15,790 --> 00:14:13,380 it's good that you're familiar with OSAP 277 00:14:17,750 --> 00:14:15,800 and atip I think that's great 278 00:14:19,250 --> 00:14:17,760 right well 279 00:14:21,710 --> 00:14:19,260 um 280 00:14:25,190 --> 00:14:21,720 I have done a couple of episodes where 281 00:14:26,629 --> 00:14:25,200 some of my friends Nicole rejects 282 00:14:30,290 --> 00:14:26,639 um and they 283 00:14:32,870 --> 00:14:30,300 um dug into the Asic side of things and 284 00:14:34,430 --> 00:14:32,880 it may it was just 285 00:14:37,009 --> 00:14:34,440 it actually 286 00:14:39,550 --> 00:14:37,019 when you when you look into it it's 287 00:14:42,350 --> 00:14:39,560 borderline worrying when you think of 288 00:14:45,829 --> 00:14:42,360 this you know uh messing about with 289 00:14:47,389 --> 00:14:45,839 portals and on other dimensions and but 290 00:14:49,009 --> 00:14:47,399 it's one of those ways it's like 291 00:14:53,629 --> 00:14:49,019 anything 292 00:14:58,310 --> 00:14:56,210 um because you think 293 00:14:59,990 --> 00:14:58,320 is it some sort of Weaponry where 294 00:15:03,710 --> 00:15:00,000 they're after or you just don't know 295 00:15:07,310 --> 00:15:03,720 that you you only know what you to an 296 00:15:11,050 --> 00:15:07,320 extent of what you you can look into 297 00:15:16,750 --> 00:15:11,060 you don't know what is what's 100 298 00:15:20,449 --> 00:15:19,370 yeah I mean like when you this is what I 299 00:15:22,910 --> 00:15:20,459 mean we're speaking to somebody like 300 00:15:24,710 --> 00:15:22,920 yourself and you've got a first-hand the 301 00:15:28,970 --> 00:15:24,720 when you're and when you've just 302 00:15:32,509 --> 00:15:28,980 mentioned uh the god helmet um and those 303 00:15:34,790 --> 00:15:32,519 um Stone schools it's 304 00:15:37,850 --> 00:15:34,800 youth like sort of 305 00:15:40,790 --> 00:15:37,860 it's just like you are your own sort of 306 00:15:45,230 --> 00:15:40,800 your own personal eat it maybe about 307 00:15:47,150 --> 00:15:45,240 your own researching yourself in a way 308 00:15:49,490 --> 00:15:47,160 would you say that that that's like your 309 00:15:52,310 --> 00:15:49,500 report job on this 310 00:15:56,350 --> 00:15:52,320 I wouldn't say that well yes I mean it's 311 00:15:58,670 --> 00:15:56,360 wonderful having the most 312 00:16:02,269 --> 00:15:58,680 scientifically studied paranormal hot 313 00:16:04,370 --> 00:16:02,279 spot in quite literally the backyard 314 00:16:06,769 --> 00:16:04,380 however 315 00:16:10,689 --> 00:16:06,779 the government definitely has deeper 316 00:16:13,610 --> 00:16:10,699 pockets and oh yeah 317 00:16:16,310 --> 00:16:13,620 you know this is all privately funded 318 00:16:18,829 --> 00:16:16,320 and you know the government on the other 319 00:16:20,930 --> 00:16:18,839 hand they they there's a lot of 320 00:16:23,750 --> 00:16:20,940 investigation and information that's 321 00:16:26,930 --> 00:16:23,760 come my way and they had been text 322 00:16:29,090 --> 00:16:26,940 testing exotic Technologies much like 323 00:16:31,550 --> 00:16:29,100 you're describing uh like radio 324 00:16:34,790 --> 00:16:31,560 frequency Technologies and direct energy 325 00:16:35,870 --> 00:16:34,800 weapons yeah yeah 326 00:16:38,810 --> 00:16:35,880 yeah 327 00:16:41,749 --> 00:16:38,820 um I mean it's like I've heard of the 328 00:16:44,090 --> 00:16:41,759 like cloaking technology as well I mean 329 00:16:47,030 --> 00:16:44,100 it just sounds so fascinating mate and 330 00:16:50,329 --> 00:16:47,040 yeah I do believe that there are those 331 00:16:54,470 --> 00:16:52,310 definitely 332 00:16:55,550 --> 00:16:54,480 are you have you are you familiar with 333 00:16:57,470 --> 00:16:55,560 anything like that like clothing 334 00:17:00,530 --> 00:16:57,480 Technologies are have you seen anything 335 00:17:03,050 --> 00:17:00,540 or say like you want to seen it because 336 00:17:05,689 --> 00:17:03,060 you can't see it can you apparently but 337 00:17:08,689 --> 00:17:05,699 are you aware of anything like that 338 00:17:11,510 --> 00:17:08,699 yes of course so I speak with other 339 00:17:14,929 --> 00:17:11,520 investigators and one of which is Robert 340 00:17:16,669 --> 00:17:14,939 Guffey uh who's done extensive research 341 00:17:18,949 --> 00:17:16,679 into government programs including 342 00:17:21,890 --> 00:17:18,959 project camellio and Skinwalker 343 00:17:22,789 --> 00:17:21,900 connections and what I can tell you is 344 00:17:26,569 --> 00:17:22,799 that 345 00:17:28,990 --> 00:17:26,579 the government was deploying toys in his 346 00:17:32,690 --> 00:17:29,000 opinion and by toys 347 00:17:34,669 --> 00:17:32,700 on and around this area toys are a key 348 00:17:38,810 --> 00:17:34,679 word for non-lethal weapons and direct 349 00:17:41,270 --> 00:17:38,820 energy weapons so either yeah so there's 350 00:17:42,650 --> 00:17:41,280 and when it comes to uh I don't know if 351 00:17:46,630 --> 00:17:42,660 you've had the opportunity to read 352 00:17:49,430 --> 00:17:46,640 Robert guffey's book camellio 353 00:17:52,090 --> 00:17:49,440 oh it's fascinating I highly recommend 354 00:17:54,350 --> 00:17:52,100 it to all your listeners and to yourself 355 00:17:58,130 --> 00:17:54,360 she's always spelling 356 00:17:59,870 --> 00:17:58,140 um the book title mate please yes it's 357 00:18:05,870 --> 00:17:59,880 camellio 358 00:18:09,049 --> 00:18:05,880 and it's c h a m e l e o and that is 359 00:18:12,289 --> 00:18:09,059 named after a project called project 360 00:18:16,130 --> 00:18:12,299 camellio and it is very interesting 361 00:18:18,830 --> 00:18:16,140 because it is the true account of a 362 00:18:22,010 --> 00:18:18,840 heroin addict who sheltered a U.S Navy 363 00:18:25,970 --> 00:18:22,020 soldier who had stolen a special type of 364 00:18:29,150 --> 00:18:25,980 night vision goggle and these night 365 00:18:31,549 --> 00:18:29,160 vision goggles it turns out had the 366 00:18:34,490 --> 00:18:31,559 ability to see through these cloaking 367 00:18:38,330 --> 00:18:34,500 devices or invisibility suits as they 368 00:18:40,730 --> 00:18:38,340 have termed them and basically this 369 00:18:44,150 --> 00:18:40,740 gentleman Dion found himself not only 370 00:18:48,169 --> 00:18:44,160 arrested but eventually let go however 371 00:18:49,850 --> 00:18:48,179 he was sort of gang stalked by arms of 372 00:18:51,470 --> 00:18:49,860 the government and the Department of 373 00:18:54,350 --> 00:18:51,480 Homeland Security 374 00:18:57,669 --> 00:18:54,360 and basically they wanted to get this 375 00:19:01,730 --> 00:18:57,679 experimental technology back and they 376 00:19:07,370 --> 00:19:01,740 use these very uh Psy office 377 00:19:09,409 --> 00:19:07,380 gang stalking techniques to try and and 378 00:19:12,110 --> 00:19:09,419 get and get this top secret military 379 00:19:15,230 --> 00:19:12,120 equipment back so it's a very strange 380 00:19:17,570 --> 00:19:15,240 but true story of invisible spies heroin 381 00:19:20,390 --> 00:19:17,580 addiction and Homeland Security it's by 382 00:19:22,610 --> 00:19:20,400 Robert Guffey I highly recommend it 383 00:19:23,810 --> 00:19:22,620 I will look for that mate it does sound 384 00:19:28,370 --> 00:19:23,820 fascinating 385 00:19:31,430 --> 00:19:29,330 um 386 00:19:33,289 --> 00:19:31,440 night vision goggles 387 00:19:35,770 --> 00:19:33,299 this Ambience I would love some of them 388 00:19:40,549 --> 00:19:37,450 yeah 389 00:19:42,830 --> 00:19:40,559 this particular what's very interesting 390 00:19:44,570 --> 00:19:42,840 about that is he is under the impression 391 00:19:46,250 --> 00:19:44,580 and many others as well 392 00:19:49,190 --> 00:19:46,260 that 393 00:19:50,650 --> 00:19:49,200 this invisibility technology is another 394 00:19:52,310 --> 00:19:50,660 one of those 395 00:19:56,570 --> 00:19:52,320 Technologies 396 00:19:58,730 --> 00:19:56,580 covert technology programs that was 397 00:20:00,409 --> 00:19:58,740 tested out in this area and there's 398 00:20:03,650 --> 00:20:00,419 there's a lot of others there's there's 399 00:20:05,390 --> 00:20:03,660 tons of tech survey studies when you 400 00:20:08,390 --> 00:20:05,400 really start delving into it there's 401 00:20:10,610 --> 00:20:08,400 high energy laser weapons uh Quantum 402 00:20:13,870 --> 00:20:10,620 Computing and utilizing organic 403 00:20:17,049 --> 00:20:13,880 molecules and automation technology 404 00:20:19,669 --> 00:20:17,059 anti-gravity for Aerospace applications 405 00:20:22,549 --> 00:20:19,679 trying to think um 406 00:20:26,930 --> 00:20:22,559 laser lightcraft connection to Nano 407 00:20:30,169 --> 00:20:26,940 satellites and there is a connection of 408 00:20:33,110 --> 00:20:30,179 what can only be described as 409 00:20:35,270 --> 00:20:33,120 cooperation between other elements of 410 00:20:38,510 --> 00:20:35,280 the government and this particular area 411 00:20:42,289 --> 00:20:38,520 so when the previous owners uh they were 412 00:20:44,510 --> 00:20:42,299 by the name of Sherman uh Terry Sherman 413 00:20:46,370 --> 00:20:44,520 believed it was basically a family that 414 00:20:48,289 --> 00:20:46,380 went there to do some cattle ranching 415 00:20:51,230 --> 00:20:48,299 and they 416 00:20:52,789 --> 00:20:51,240 basically had to deal with a barrage of 417 00:20:56,350 --> 00:20:52,799 paranormal activity including 418 00:20:58,909 --> 00:20:56,360 Poltergeist activity UFOs 419 00:21:02,510 --> 00:20:58,919 cryptozoological variants of different 420 00:21:05,630 --> 00:21:02,520 creatures and basically just overall 421 00:21:08,810 --> 00:21:05,640 High strangeness and he was under the 422 00:21:12,470 --> 00:21:08,820 impression that the flying variety or 423 00:21:14,570 --> 00:21:12,480 the UFOs Were Somehow military and maybe 424 00:21:17,750 --> 00:21:14,580 had a connection to Hill Air Force Base 425 00:21:21,710 --> 00:21:17,760 and he would sit out often with older 426 00:21:23,990 --> 00:21:21,720 Technologies be that Super 8 or VHS and 427 00:21:28,149 --> 00:21:24,000 basically try to stock these things as 428 00:21:30,770 --> 00:21:28,159 if they were animals what's strange is 429 00:21:32,990 --> 00:21:30,780 yeah there were times 430 00:21:34,490 --> 00:21:33,000 no that's okay there were times he would 431 00:21:36,710 --> 00:21:34,500 see these lights 432 00:21:39,830 --> 00:21:36,720 at a distance and in one particular 433 00:21:43,130 --> 00:21:39,840 instance he had a bone in his neck or 434 00:21:45,830 --> 00:21:43,140 his back just sort of pop and although 435 00:21:48,770 --> 00:21:45,840 this this light was at a distance this 436 00:21:53,450 --> 00:21:48,780 UFO it immediately keyed into the fact 437 00:21:56,090 --> 00:21:53,460 that his his uh spinal column had popped 438 00:21:59,029 --> 00:21:56,100 and it immediately was aware of his 439 00:22:00,350 --> 00:21:59,039 location so a lot of these things seem 440 00:22:02,029 --> 00:22:00,360 to have 441 00:22:07,789 --> 00:22:02,039 kind of 442 00:22:13,010 --> 00:22:09,529 you sound like like they've got all the 443 00:22:14,870 --> 00:22:13,020 world's lit uh capabilities 444 00:22:17,630 --> 00:22:14,880 yeah it's uh 445 00:22:22,430 --> 00:22:17,640 it really is fascinating 446 00:22:25,730 --> 00:22:22,440 out of all the uh the strangeness that 447 00:22:29,090 --> 00:22:28,070 what has to be like 448 00:22:31,610 --> 00:22:29,100 um 449 00:22:35,330 --> 00:22:31,620 the most bizarre the weirdest thing 450 00:22:38,090 --> 00:22:35,340 you've ever seen or ever experienced 451 00:22:40,010 --> 00:22:38,100 you know I would say that there is 452 00:22:42,350 --> 00:22:40,020 probably 453 00:22:44,990 --> 00:22:42,360 a half a dozen that would take that 454 00:22:47,029 --> 00:22:45,000 category and 455 00:22:48,649 --> 00:22:47,039 among those 456 00:22:54,770 --> 00:22:48,659 would be 457 00:22:56,770 --> 00:22:54,780 manifested 458 00:22:59,390 --> 00:22:56,780 in ways that were 459 00:23:02,270 --> 00:22:59,400 Supernatural and to give you a quick 460 00:23:04,390 --> 00:23:02,280 story I was with another researcher 461 00:23:07,310 --> 00:23:04,400 and we were watching 462 00:23:08,390 --> 00:23:07,320 these lights that seem to be scanning 463 00:23:10,970 --> 00:23:08,400 the area 464 00:23:13,370 --> 00:23:10,980 uh to make a long story short and 465 00:23:16,010 --> 00:23:13,380 delights did become aware of our 466 00:23:18,890 --> 00:23:16,020 location and started to come up this 467 00:23:19,669 --> 00:23:18,900 this very Rocky Barren terrain towards 468 00:23:22,850 --> 00:23:19,679 us 469 00:23:25,610 --> 00:23:22,860 and they did in fact we hid between 470 00:23:28,850 --> 00:23:25,620 these rocks and they the this one 471 00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:28,860 particular Light Came directly over us 472 00:23:34,549 --> 00:23:30,720 and 473 00:23:36,289 --> 00:23:34,559 to describe the features of it it would 474 00:23:42,310 --> 00:23:36,299 be I don't know if you've seen the movie 475 00:23:47,630 --> 00:23:46,010 yes with the silver ball oh That's a 476 00:23:50,149 --> 00:23:47,640 classic that way that's that's four 477 00:23:53,029 --> 00:23:50,159 batch of years yeah that's an old one 478 00:23:55,190 --> 00:23:53,039 and yeah yeah when when we looked above 479 00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:55,200 when we realized this was directly over 480 00:23:58,190 --> 00:23:57,120 our heads and I'm talking seven feet 481 00:24:01,330 --> 00:23:58,200 Maybe 482 00:24:04,789 --> 00:24:01,340 and we were hidden in this Rocky crack 483 00:24:06,590 --> 00:24:04,799 and yeah when we looked up this if you 484 00:24:09,770 --> 00:24:06,600 could picture three of those silver 485 00:24:11,870 --> 00:24:09,780 balls in a triangular formation with 486 00:24:14,990 --> 00:24:11,880 absolutely nothing connecting them but 487 00:24:17,510 --> 00:24:15,000 they were flying in formation that is 488 00:24:19,970 --> 00:24:17,520 the best attribute I can I can give to 489 00:24:22,070 --> 00:24:19,980 comprehending what what was seen before 490 00:24:26,029 --> 00:24:22,080 it actually flashed us with an intense 491 00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:26,039 light and after it flashed us with this 492 00:24:31,310 --> 00:24:27,360 intense light 493 00:24:34,909 --> 00:24:31,320 we heard a thud or the sound of 494 00:24:36,529 --> 00:24:34,919 something Landing beside us and we 495 00:24:38,870 --> 00:24:36,539 popped up out of the crack and looked 496 00:24:41,029 --> 00:24:38,880 over where this desert landscape you 497 00:24:43,669 --> 00:24:41,039 could still see the dust from where it 498 00:24:47,450 --> 00:24:43,679 had landed and 499 00:24:49,390 --> 00:24:47,460 where it landed almost automatically an 500 00:24:53,090 --> 00:24:49,400 amorphous uh 501 00:24:55,789 --> 00:24:53,100 spiral of black nanoparticulates began 502 00:24:56,690 --> 00:24:55,799 to take shape and manifest and they were 503 00:24:59,330 --> 00:24:56,700 dark 504 00:25:03,049 --> 00:24:59,340 and almost like gnats or flies or fruit 505 00:25:05,870 --> 00:25:03,059 flies or or something small and flying 506 00:25:09,710 --> 00:25:05,880 and they they were spinning and they 507 00:25:11,690 --> 00:25:09,720 became to put it blunt a wolf they they 508 00:25:14,750 --> 00:25:11,700 manifested into the shape of a wolf 509 00:25:16,549 --> 00:25:14,760 myself and this other researcher were 510 00:25:19,190 --> 00:25:16,559 literally holding on to each other at 511 00:25:23,270 --> 00:25:19,200 this point not knowing reality from 512 00:25:25,250 --> 00:25:23,280 absolute insanity and 513 00:25:27,890 --> 00:25:25,260 scared at the possibility of what might 514 00:25:30,649 --> 00:25:27,900 take place and I think our fear caused 515 00:25:33,529 --> 00:25:30,659 it to then de-manifest it took a few 516 00:25:37,149 --> 00:25:33,539 steps in our Direction and then it began 517 00:25:39,769 --> 00:25:37,159 to de-manifest and spiral back into this 518 00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:39,779 nanoparticulate form so that would 519 00:25:43,310 --> 00:25:42,000 definitely be one of the top six 520 00:25:46,789 --> 00:25:43,320 um another 521 00:25:50,630 --> 00:25:46,799 would be my very first account which was 522 00:25:53,149 --> 00:25:50,640 driving along a random Ranch Road at the 523 00:25:55,130 --> 00:25:53,159 time and I saw what can only be 524 00:25:57,590 --> 00:25:55,140 described as an elderly Native American 525 00:26:00,289 --> 00:25:57,600 coming down off of a bluff 526 00:26:02,029 --> 00:26:00,299 and trying to be a Good Samaritan I 527 00:26:04,130 --> 00:26:02,039 rolled down my window waited for them to 528 00:26:05,690 --> 00:26:04,140 get to the roadway and I asked if they 529 00:26:09,430 --> 00:26:05,700 needed a ride somewhere 530 00:26:14,289 --> 00:26:09,440 they did not respond they just kind of 531 00:26:18,430 --> 00:26:14,299 clumsily climbed into my pickup truck 532 00:26:20,930 --> 00:26:18,440 and within seconds and cares 533 00:26:24,169 --> 00:26:20,940 yeah it didn't speak to you it didn't 534 00:26:27,230 --> 00:26:24,179 speak to you just got in absolutely no 535 00:26:29,810 --> 00:26:27,240 speech whatsoever yeah that's odd anyway 536 00:26:31,549 --> 00:26:29,820 that you you would at least say hello or 537 00:26:33,470 --> 00:26:31,559 you know you know at least 538 00:26:35,690 --> 00:26:33,480 um 539 00:26:37,210 --> 00:26:35,700 and he said just just not say anything 540 00:26:39,769 --> 00:26:37,220 that's um 541 00:26:42,169 --> 00:26:39,779 sorry for interrupting me so what 542 00:26:45,830 --> 00:26:42,179 happened after that no not at all it 543 00:26:48,049 --> 00:26:45,840 seemed as if it engaged me in a way that 544 00:26:50,890 --> 00:26:48,059 I'd never been 545 00:26:53,330 --> 00:26:50,900 kind of messed with my intrinsic energy 546 00:26:56,330 --> 00:26:53,340 it seemed as if it was going through the 547 00:26:58,549 --> 00:26:56,340 rolytics of like basically like a Life 548 00:27:00,649 --> 00:26:58,559 review it was going through the best 549 00:27:03,470 --> 00:27:00,659 moments of my life and the worst moments 550 00:27:05,450 --> 00:27:03,480 of my life and it felt as if this entity 551 00:27:07,010 --> 00:27:05,460 was feeding off of them or somehow 552 00:27:09,950 --> 00:27:07,020 iconically 553 00:27:13,490 --> 00:27:09,960 going for those highly charged emotional 554 00:27:16,310 --> 00:27:13,500 moments and I lost a few hours of time 555 00:27:19,310 --> 00:27:16,320 and I basically uh 556 00:27:23,169 --> 00:27:19,320 that was the first the first experience 557 00:27:27,529 --> 00:27:23,179 so you can imagine uh that I was 558 00:27:30,010 --> 00:27:27,539 interested and worried almost I had an 559 00:27:32,810 --> 00:27:30,020 appreciation for the power of the area 560 00:27:36,230 --> 00:27:32,820 and and there's a handful of others that 561 00:27:38,149 --> 00:27:36,240 are equally disturbing yeah I bet yeah I 562 00:27:40,370 --> 00:27:38,159 mean you've been there for some years 563 00:27:42,950 --> 00:27:40,380 now you must have gone I bet you've lost 564 00:27:47,810 --> 00:27:42,960 jobs how many times you've had uh 565 00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:50,269 other beings are what 566 00:27:54,529 --> 00:27:51,120 um 567 00:27:56,390 --> 00:27:54,539 I mean with regards to uh the type of 568 00:27:59,450 --> 00:27:56,400 entities 569 00:28:01,789 --> 00:27:59,460 um you like would you say like a long 570 00:28:04,730 --> 00:28:01,799 life like Cryptids would you say like uh 571 00:28:06,289 --> 00:28:04,740 like VR people say about this dog man 572 00:28:09,409 --> 00:28:06,299 and 573 00:28:11,750 --> 00:28:09,419 uh on skin markers 574 00:28:14,269 --> 00:28:11,760 is that something that's common 575 00:28:17,350 --> 00:28:14,279 to see around the 576 00:28:22,250 --> 00:28:17,360 it is definitely something that is 577 00:28:24,350 --> 00:28:22,260 commonly seen in so much as when you 578 00:28:26,570 --> 00:28:24,360 take the amount of people that have seen 579 00:28:29,990 --> 00:28:26,580 something it will be common to that 580 00:28:32,029 --> 00:28:30,000 particular segment so right okay uh 581 00:28:35,330 --> 00:28:32,039 definitely things such as Cryptids 582 00:28:38,450 --> 00:28:35,340 Elementals werewolves uh tricksters 583 00:28:42,830 --> 00:28:38,460 basically in nature Men In Black Skin 584 00:28:44,930 --> 00:28:42,840 Walkers same blocks absolutely 585 00:28:46,250 --> 00:28:44,940 are we talking about the the many 586 00:28:48,890 --> 00:28:46,260 Blackboard 587 00:28:50,810 --> 00:28:48,900 um I mean I know it's only a movie like 588 00:28:53,690 --> 00:28:50,820 but that kind of many black word they're 589 00:28:55,549 --> 00:28:53,700 meant to appear like if you've been 590 00:28:58,610 --> 00:28:55,559 you've seen something 591 00:29:01,610 --> 00:28:58,620 um and they don't want you to uh 592 00:29:03,230 --> 00:29:01,620 like go to a newspaper Etc is that the 593 00:29:04,789 --> 00:29:03,240 kind of Men In Black is that is that 594 00:29:06,890 --> 00:29:04,799 what they're actually like 595 00:29:11,029 --> 00:29:06,900 whether you've come and they'll have do 596 00:29:12,289 --> 00:29:11,039 they harass you 100 that is exactly the 597 00:29:15,409 --> 00:29:12,299 type and 598 00:29:17,149 --> 00:29:15,419 whether it's ranchers shooting at 599 00:29:21,110 --> 00:29:17,159 werewolf-like creatures and then getting 600 00:29:24,409 --> 00:29:21,120 visits uh afterwards from these 601 00:29:26,450 --> 00:29:24,419 Men In Black or investigators uh 602 00:29:28,370 --> 00:29:26,460 investigating the area and then shopping 603 00:29:30,950 --> 00:29:28,380 at the grocery store with their children 604 00:29:32,690 --> 00:29:30,960 and being approached by these men in 605 00:29:36,350 --> 00:29:32,700 black and being told not to return to 606 00:29:38,090 --> 00:29:36,360 the area there's also cases of the Men 607 00:29:39,830 --> 00:29:38,100 in Black just sort of casing out 608 00:29:41,810 --> 00:29:39,840 somebody's home and this this is what 609 00:29:44,330 --> 00:29:41,820 they did with me is they would they 610 00:29:46,310 --> 00:29:44,340 would basically I now know who they were 611 00:29:48,289 --> 00:29:46,320 in retrospect but at the time I didn't 612 00:29:51,289 --> 00:29:48,299 and it was quite serious but 613 00:29:53,570 --> 00:29:51,299 many many tinted out government-like 614 00:29:54,409 --> 00:29:53,580 vehicles and 615 00:29:56,750 --> 00:29:54,419 um 616 00:30:00,049 --> 00:29:56,760 taking part in almost intimidation 617 00:30:02,389 --> 00:30:00,059 techniques I would say yes but yeah it's 618 00:30:03,710 --> 00:30:02,399 it's an interesting uh it's an 619 00:30:06,230 --> 00:30:03,720 interesting aspect of the whole 620 00:30:08,810 --> 00:30:06,240 phenomena 621 00:30:10,909 --> 00:30:08,820 sounds it sounds fascinating it just but 622 00:30:12,470 --> 00:30:10,919 I mean but just by listening to this it 623 00:30:14,510 --> 00:30:12,480 just makes you want you want to look 624 00:30:17,630 --> 00:30:14,520 into it even more now 625 00:30:21,470 --> 00:30:17,640 because different 626 00:30:24,049 --> 00:30:21,480 reports about many black uh I mean I'm 627 00:30:26,930 --> 00:30:24,059 not exactly sure where I've read it but 628 00:30:29,090 --> 00:30:26,940 there's been like um the sums they're 629 00:30:32,350 --> 00:30:29,100 not even human I don't know how true 630 00:30:37,490 --> 00:30:34,970 yeah yeah I've spoken with one 631 00:30:41,990 --> 00:30:37,500 particular gentleman who was a 632 00:30:43,909 --> 00:30:42,000 uh a long-haul truck driver and he came 633 00:30:46,070 --> 00:30:43,919 across a few of these entities like 634 00:30:48,769 --> 00:30:46,080 you're talking about that did not seem 635 00:30:50,330 --> 00:30:48,779 human I've spoke with another person who 636 00:30:52,810 --> 00:30:50,340 owned a bed and breakfast in southern 637 00:30:56,210 --> 00:30:52,820 Utah just south of this area 638 00:30:58,250 --> 00:30:56,220 and they would have 639 00:31:01,549 --> 00:30:58,260 what can only be described as people 640 00:31:04,669 --> 00:31:01,559 showing up in these older black colored 641 00:31:07,730 --> 00:31:04,679 tinted vehicles and when they came out 642 00:31:11,450 --> 00:31:07,740 of the vehicles they went into a diner 643 00:31:12,889 --> 00:31:11,460 and they acted very robotic and all the 644 00:31:15,110 --> 00:31:12,899 people in the diner actually left 645 00:31:18,230 --> 00:31:15,120 because they did not seem human they 646 00:31:19,850 --> 00:31:18,240 they had robotic attributes uh seemed 647 00:31:22,370 --> 00:31:19,860 very mechanical in the way they were 648 00:31:25,970 --> 00:31:22,380 interacting with people and it's almost 649 00:31:28,310 --> 00:31:25,980 as if they had no social gauge of how to 650 00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:28,320 act they they were saying all the right 651 00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:31,200 things but it was completely unnatural 652 00:31:36,590 --> 00:31:33,360 do you think does it do you think that 653 00:31:38,630 --> 00:31:36,600 it sounds like someone's like a clone or 654 00:31:40,370 --> 00:31:38,640 like a doppelganger of some sort along 655 00:31:42,649 --> 00:31:40,380 those lines 656 00:31:44,630 --> 00:31:42,659 it could be I don't know it definitely 657 00:31:46,549 --> 00:31:44,640 seems like they Traverse 658 00:31:48,710 --> 00:31:46,559 and move through 659 00:31:51,409 --> 00:31:48,720 into an area that they're not very 660 00:31:52,850 --> 00:31:51,419 comfortable acting uh as as normal 661 00:31:54,169 --> 00:31:52,860 people would act under certain 662 00:31:56,930 --> 00:31:54,179 circumstances 663 00:31:59,630 --> 00:31:56,940 yeah I mean there's something like uh 664 00:32:02,210 --> 00:31:59,640 similar to along those lines Brian and 665 00:32:04,610 --> 00:32:02,220 it was uh have he have you are you 666 00:32:09,950 --> 00:32:04,620 familiar with Stardust Ranch 667 00:32:13,070 --> 00:32:09,960 yes of course in Arizona yeah the the 668 00:32:14,990 --> 00:32:13,080 he has something in his book he has 669 00:32:17,450 --> 00:32:15,000 something along the lines of 670 00:32:19,070 --> 00:32:17,460 um doppelgangers in a diner or something 671 00:32:21,529 --> 00:32:19,080 along those lines I just wondered if it 672 00:32:23,990 --> 00:32:21,539 was like similar but if it's a similar 673 00:32:26,210 --> 00:32:24,000 thing to what's happened and what that 674 00:32:29,930 --> 00:32:26,220 you that you've heard of as well 675 00:32:32,090 --> 00:32:29,940 yes of course there's there's a lot of 676 00:32:33,850 --> 00:32:32,100 strange happenings all in the 677 00:32:38,230 --> 00:32:33,860 southwestern United States I believe 678 00:32:41,450 --> 00:32:38,240 Arizona New Mexico Colorado Utah 679 00:32:43,310 --> 00:32:41,460 there seems to be 680 00:32:45,769 --> 00:32:43,320 an intersection 681 00:32:49,789 --> 00:32:45,779 where or a convergence in these high 682 00:32:52,370 --> 00:32:49,799 deserts where there seems to be 683 00:32:56,210 --> 00:32:52,380 for the land mass or the area an 684 00:32:59,269 --> 00:32:56,220 exponential amount of sightings uh cases 685 00:33:01,130 --> 00:32:59,279 of high strangeness Cryptids Etc and 686 00:33:03,350 --> 00:33:01,140 someone who's done a lot of research and 687 00:33:05,690 --> 00:33:03,360 investigation into this is a gentleman 688 00:33:08,990 --> 00:33:05,700 named Ben mizrick he wrote a book called 689 00:33:10,269 --> 00:33:09,000 the 37th parallel which basically goes 690 00:33:13,430 --> 00:33:10,279 through 691 00:33:16,490 --> 00:33:13,440 explaining some of the attributes of 692 00:33:19,490 --> 00:33:16,500 what might be taking place and not to go 693 00:33:22,669 --> 00:33:19,500 too far down this path and and off topic 694 00:33:25,130 --> 00:33:22,679 but this particular parallel the 37th 695 00:33:27,009 --> 00:33:25,140 parallel seems to be sort of a UFO 696 00:33:29,269 --> 00:33:27,019 Highway of sorts 697 00:33:33,730 --> 00:33:29,279 anti-strangeness where these things tend 698 00:33:39,049 --> 00:33:36,830 right it just um I've got a dash Mark 699 00:33:43,190 --> 00:33:39,059 currently got a dashboard mate it just 700 00:33:44,450 --> 00:33:43,200 sounds it's beyond fascinating this 701 00:33:47,570 --> 00:33:44,460 um 702 00:33:51,950 --> 00:33:47,580 you know this this 37 parallel I know 703 00:33:56,930 --> 00:33:54,409 like out like like where where you are 704 00:33:58,630 --> 00:33:56,940 places and skin walker Ranch 705 00:34:02,029 --> 00:33:58,640 um 706 00:34:04,549 --> 00:34:02,039 these areas do they have skin markers as 707 00:34:08,990 --> 00:34:04,559 well or is it just mainly UFOs along 708 00:34:11,510 --> 00:34:09,000 this parallel or does it does it 709 00:34:15,530 --> 00:34:11,520 Vera 710 00:34:20,149 --> 00:34:18,409 I believe it's a bit of everything and 711 00:34:23,030 --> 00:34:20,159 according to 712 00:34:27,169 --> 00:34:23,040 this paranormal they call it America's 713 00:34:29,089 --> 00:34:27,179 paranormal Highway the 37th parallel and 714 00:34:30,710 --> 00:34:29,099 according to the research that's been 715 00:34:34,550 --> 00:34:30,720 done you can drop a pin just about 716 00:34:37,849 --> 00:34:34,560 anywhere along there it stretches from 717 00:34:40,730 --> 00:34:37,859 Chesapeake Bay to Santa Cruz California 718 00:34:43,490 --> 00:34:40,740 and it's been called everything from the 719 00:34:45,770 --> 00:34:43,500 Paranormal highway to the UFO Highway 720 00:34:48,349 --> 00:34:45,780 it's littered with 721 00:34:51,349 --> 00:34:48,359 Tales of cattle mutilations UFO 722 00:34:54,589 --> 00:34:51,359 sightings underground military bases 723 00:34:56,869 --> 00:34:54,599 ancient Native sacred sites and 724 00:35:00,170 --> 00:34:56,879 the phenomena Zone as they call it 725 00:35:02,810 --> 00:35:00,180 stretches about 70 miles either side of 726 00:35:05,829 --> 00:35:02,820 the 37th parallel roughly I would say 727 00:35:09,130 --> 00:35:05,839 maybe even 80 miles so the area 728 00:35:12,550 --> 00:35:09,140 is basically just anomalous real estate 729 00:35:15,530 --> 00:35:12,560 a few odd facts about it is that 730 00:35:18,290 --> 00:35:15,540 Americans living in this area are twice 731 00:35:21,170 --> 00:35:18,300 as likely to develop multiple multiple 732 00:35:24,250 --> 00:35:21,180 sclerosis or Ms than those who live 733 00:35:27,589 --> 00:35:24,260 other places and 734 00:35:31,609 --> 00:35:27,599 yeah there's a lot of strange going on 735 00:35:34,010 --> 00:35:31,619 interestingly talking about Ms I was on 736 00:35:37,010 --> 00:35:34,020 an investigation with uh 737 00:35:40,690 --> 00:35:37,020 Jack Osborne Ozzy Osbourne's son he was 738 00:35:43,790 --> 00:35:40,700 up in Utah doing an investigation into 739 00:35:47,150 --> 00:35:43,800 this phenomena shapeshifters and the 740 00:35:50,270 --> 00:35:47,160 like tricksters and yeah 741 00:35:52,550 --> 00:35:50,280 a while on site we were actually on what 742 00:35:56,329 --> 00:35:52,560 is known as Skinwalker Ridge 743 00:35:59,210 --> 00:35:56,339 and he started to lose sight in one of 744 00:36:00,470 --> 00:35:59,220 his eyes and at that moment he realized 745 00:36:02,150 --> 00:36:00,480 that something was wrong with him 746 00:36:05,089 --> 00:36:02,160 physically and since then he's been 747 00:36:08,510 --> 00:36:05,099 diagnosed with Ms or multiple sclerosis 748 00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:08,520 so this is not uncommon uh 749 00:36:13,130 --> 00:36:10,800 it's very easy 750 00:36:14,810 --> 00:36:13,140 yes 751 00:36:17,089 --> 00:36:14,820 and I've had other friends that have 752 00:36:19,790 --> 00:36:17,099 come down with other 753 00:36:23,569 --> 00:36:19,800 strange cases of physical ailments such 754 00:36:25,910 --> 00:36:23,579 as ALS or Lou Gehrig's disease so there 755 00:36:27,950 --> 00:36:25,920 does seem to be some physical impacts as 756 00:36:30,589 --> 00:36:27,960 well to studying and being in these 757 00:36:31,970 --> 00:36:30,599 particular areas and the 37th parallel 758 00:36:34,190 --> 00:36:31,980 in particular 759 00:36:35,210 --> 00:36:34,200 yeah do you think Ryan that that could 760 00:36:39,190 --> 00:36:35,220 be 761 00:36:43,310 --> 00:36:39,200 I mean I I don't know I'm not not 762 00:36:45,710 --> 00:36:43,320 scientifically minded in this this way 763 00:36:47,930 --> 00:36:45,720 um do you think it could be anything to 764 00:36:52,849 --> 00:36:47,940 do like um 765 00:36:56,690 --> 00:36:54,770 well that's an interesting interesting 766 00:36:59,270 --> 00:36:56,700 point because there are some 767 00:37:01,430 --> 00:36:59,280 aeromagnetic and gravity profiles along 768 00:37:04,069 --> 00:37:01,440 that parallel that are slightly 769 00:37:05,870 --> 00:37:04,079 different from a Geo physical standpoint 770 00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:05,880 and 771 00:37:10,910 --> 00:37:08,400 yeah there is a possibility that this 772 00:37:13,910 --> 00:37:10,920 may be a better place to try covert 773 00:37:15,890 --> 00:37:13,920 technology programs it's I'm not 100 774 00:37:17,450 --> 00:37:15,900 sure of that but I don't know why it 775 00:37:20,450 --> 00:37:17,460 wouldn't be 776 00:37:21,589 --> 00:37:20,460 yeah I mean he slightly said it's a fast 777 00:37:23,630 --> 00:37:21,599 area 778 00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:23,640 there's nothing about for miles and 779 00:37:28,609 --> 00:37:26,400 miles you'd think that it will be 780 00:37:30,650 --> 00:37:28,619 I could be wrong to detest nuclear 781 00:37:32,450 --> 00:37:30,660 weaponry around 782 00:37:35,030 --> 00:37:32,460 I don't know if you're around that that 783 00:37:37,370 --> 00:37:35,040 particular area but in in some other 784 00:37:40,010 --> 00:37:37,380 deserts 785 00:37:42,589 --> 00:37:40,020 that's right and another strange it it 786 00:37:44,569 --> 00:37:42,599 also has lower light frequencies and 787 00:37:46,730 --> 00:37:44,579 it's people that live there have little 788 00:37:49,130 --> 00:37:46,740 to no vitamin D production during the 789 00:37:51,950 --> 00:37:49,140 winter months so that may have another 790 00:37:53,450 --> 00:37:51,960 strange 791 00:37:57,170 --> 00:37:53,460 um 792 00:37:58,970 --> 00:37:57,180 part in in the physical ailments but 793 00:38:01,370 --> 00:37:58,980 they they are not exposed to the same 794 00:38:03,650 --> 00:38:01,380 easy raids from sunlight as usual during 795 00:38:05,390 --> 00:38:03,660 the winter months so there's a lot of 796 00:38:07,550 --> 00:38:05,400 strange things that take place in that 797 00:38:10,430 --> 00:38:07,560 latitude of the United States I can't 798 00:38:14,690 --> 00:38:10,440 imagine I mean 799 00:38:17,270 --> 00:38:14,700 just I mean either stories like uh giant 800 00:38:20,089 --> 00:38:17,280 wolves and I'm I'll be interested to 801 00:38:21,950 --> 00:38:20,099 know how giant this these wolves are are 802 00:38:24,770 --> 00:38:21,960 they um 803 00:38:28,490 --> 00:38:24,780 what we're talking like a giant wolf 804 00:38:32,329 --> 00:38:28,500 have you actually seen one yourself 805 00:38:33,290 --> 00:38:32,339 I have and and I would say that they're 806 00:38:38,569 --> 00:38:33,300 massive 807 00:38:40,730 --> 00:38:38,579 say roughly 150 pounds 808 00:38:45,910 --> 00:38:40,740 and uh 809 00:38:49,670 --> 00:38:45,920 much larger have you seen a Great Dane 810 00:38:51,950 --> 00:38:49,680 a long time ago yeah they're big dogs 811 00:39:00,170 --> 00:38:51,960 yeah 812 00:39:00,180 --> 00:39:04,250 that's huge 813 00:39:08,990 --> 00:39:07,010 so that that's it and when you see these 814 00:39:11,690 --> 00:39:09,000 Ryan do they um 815 00:39:15,770 --> 00:39:11,700 have you ever seen one like shape-shift 816 00:39:17,270 --> 00:39:15,780 from being a wolf turning into I presume 817 00:39:22,250 --> 00:39:17,280 a man 818 00:39:24,170 --> 00:39:22,260 not for years I did not no and uh I've 819 00:39:25,329 --> 00:39:24,180 always seen just the walls you know 820 00:39:28,010 --> 00:39:25,339 these large 821 00:39:30,829 --> 00:39:28,020 wolves which were actually 822 00:39:32,930 --> 00:39:30,839 very common in the area during a 823 00:39:35,690 --> 00:39:32,940 different time so there may be a 824 00:39:37,190 --> 00:39:35,700 dimensional aspect to all this and 825 00:39:39,470 --> 00:39:37,200 although 826 00:39:41,569 --> 00:39:39,480 relatively little is known about many 827 00:39:43,910 --> 00:39:41,579 parts of these wolves we do know where 828 00:39:45,890 --> 00:39:43,920 they roamed and there are other 829 00:39:49,430 --> 00:39:45,900 creatures as well which have been seen 830 00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:49,440 in the area which used to be in the area 831 00:39:54,230 --> 00:39:51,599 naturally which would suggest 832 00:39:56,690 --> 00:39:54,240 that possibly there is a dimensional 833 00:39:58,450 --> 00:39:56,700 aspect to this and we are literally just 834 00:40:01,250 --> 00:39:58,460 seeing a creature in the same location 835 00:40:03,170 --> 00:40:01,260 during a different timeline which is 836 00:40:05,870 --> 00:40:03,180 kind of in contrast to a lot of people's 837 00:40:08,150 --> 00:40:05,880 investigations but these 838 00:40:10,310 --> 00:40:08,160 um what you suggested about seeing the 839 00:40:13,190 --> 00:40:10,320 actual metamorphosis or shifting from 840 00:40:17,270 --> 00:40:13,200 one to another I have not seen the shift 841 00:40:19,370 --> 00:40:17,280 however very recently I saw what can 842 00:40:21,770 --> 00:40:19,380 only be described and I can't say that I 843 00:40:23,930 --> 00:40:21,780 was the first one to see it 844 00:40:26,710 --> 00:40:23,940 um but what can only be described as a 845 00:40:30,650 --> 00:40:26,720 dog man and I was I was driving 846 00:40:32,390 --> 00:40:30,660 yes I was uh it was late at night uh it 847 00:40:34,970 --> 00:40:32,400 was late at night I had just got done 848 00:40:37,270 --> 00:40:34,980 speaking at What's called the Moonlight 849 00:40:41,089 --> 00:40:37,280 gathering in the area 850 00:40:44,210 --> 00:40:41,099 what's happening it is a group of 851 00:40:46,010 --> 00:40:44,220 treasure Hunters Cryptid Hunters and 852 00:40:50,210 --> 00:40:46,020 paranormal enthusiasts that get together 853 00:40:53,569 --> 00:40:50,220 every year and kind of swap ideas and uh 854 00:40:54,730 --> 00:40:53,579 Converge on a on a small Park and just 855 00:40:58,970 --> 00:40:54,740 trade information 856 00:41:02,810 --> 00:40:58,980 and I was heading back to space Wolf 857 00:41:05,450 --> 00:41:02,820 research uh at night after this event 858 00:41:09,710 --> 00:41:05,460 and on my way back to the base camp I 859 00:41:11,930 --> 00:41:09,720 noticed that a Jeep which I know belongs 860 00:41:15,170 --> 00:41:11,940 to another investigative group I won't 861 00:41:17,210 --> 00:41:15,180 say who but they were 862 00:41:20,690 --> 00:41:17,220 they they were parked on the side of the 863 00:41:22,370 --> 00:41:20,700 road looking at something in a field and 864 00:41:23,630 --> 00:41:22,380 uh or I'm sorry they were parked in the 865 00:41:27,230 --> 00:41:23,640 middle of the road looking at something 866 00:41:29,390 --> 00:41:27,240 in a field and as I approached it was 867 00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:29,400 very awkward because they didn't want to 868 00:41:35,150 --> 00:41:31,920 move but then they slowly moved over to 869 00:41:37,190 --> 00:41:35,160 the side of the road and I very slowly 870 00:41:38,810 --> 00:41:37,200 crept past them we were going in 871 00:41:42,050 --> 00:41:38,820 opposite directions 872 00:41:44,630 --> 00:41:42,060 and I was looking over back towards 873 00:41:48,470 --> 00:41:44,640 where they were looking and as we passed 874 00:41:51,470 --> 00:41:48,480 each other just creeping by one another 875 00:41:54,950 --> 00:41:51,480 I can only describe 876 00:41:58,550 --> 00:41:54,960 what was a dog man ran between the 877 00:42:00,770 --> 00:41:58,560 vehicles so behind both vehicles so I 878 00:42:03,950 --> 00:42:00,780 believe that they had seen this 879 00:42:07,130 --> 00:42:03,960 in the field and were investigating it 880 00:42:08,750 --> 00:42:07,140 and I came by just at the wrong or the 881 00:42:11,990 --> 00:42:08,760 right time depending on how you look at 882 00:42:13,790 --> 00:42:12,000 it yeah yeah and when I caused them to 883 00:42:16,190 --> 00:42:13,800 move over to the side of the road and 884 00:42:19,250 --> 00:42:16,200 start creeping at you know a very small 885 00:42:21,650 --> 00:42:19,260 pace and I was doing the same 886 00:42:23,750 --> 00:42:21,660 as I looked in the rear view mirror I 887 00:42:27,410 --> 00:42:23,760 saw this creature for lack of a better 888 00:42:29,329 --> 00:42:27,420 word jump over one fence line run across 889 00:42:31,790 --> 00:42:29,339 the road jump over the next fence line 890 00:42:35,630 --> 00:42:31,800 and disappear into the far the opposite 891 00:42:37,849 --> 00:42:35,640 field so it's unfortunate that was it 892 00:42:39,589 --> 00:42:37,859 was you know in the rear view mirror but 893 00:42:41,630 --> 00:42:39,599 I still got a pretty good glimpse of it 894 00:42:44,810 --> 00:42:41,640 and I think that 895 00:42:47,810 --> 00:42:44,820 it is a very real 896 00:42:52,370 --> 00:42:47,820 thing that's taking place 897 00:42:54,829 --> 00:42:52,380 how uh I know I know you uh limited 898 00:42:58,970 --> 00:42:54,839 visibility Ryan bought but if you want 899 00:43:01,069 --> 00:42:58,980 to uh just have a rough estimate how big 900 00:43:05,390 --> 00:43:01,079 was this dog man because you leave his 901 00:43:08,930 --> 00:43:05,400 Tails like people saying oh like 10 11 902 00:43:10,490 --> 00:43:08,940 12 foot dog man which seems like I mean 903 00:43:12,770 --> 00:43:10,500 I'm six foot three 904 00:43:13,970 --> 00:43:12,780 like twice the height of me that's a big 905 00:43:16,430 --> 00:43:13,980 dude 906 00:43:19,010 --> 00:43:16,440 yeah I've heard those stories as well 907 00:43:22,910 --> 00:43:19,020 this particular uh 908 00:43:24,829 --> 00:43:22,920 thing that I saw was not that large I 909 00:43:27,230 --> 00:43:24,839 would say it was only slightly larger 910 00:43:29,569 --> 00:43:27,240 about your size only slightly larger 911 00:43:31,309 --> 00:43:29,579 than a regular person so about six two 912 00:43:33,770 --> 00:43:31,319 six three about that sounds about right 913 00:43:35,210 --> 00:43:33,780 about about a six footer yeah 914 00:43:38,630 --> 00:43:35,220 wow 915 00:43:41,809 --> 00:43:38,640 still right I mean I know you said it 916 00:43:43,370 --> 00:43:41,819 from a distance but I don't think it 917 00:43:45,410 --> 00:43:43,380 would be the sort of thing you'd want to 918 00:43:48,230 --> 00:43:45,420 see face to face 919 00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:48,240 no and you know there have been accounts 920 00:43:52,670 --> 00:43:49,920 of people seeing some of these strange 921 00:43:54,650 --> 00:43:52,680 entities face to face and it does not 922 00:43:55,970 --> 00:43:54,660 end well for them one particular 923 00:43:58,010 --> 00:43:55,980 individual 924 00:44:00,290 --> 00:43:58,020 who this was before I bought the 925 00:44:03,050 --> 00:44:00,300 property there uh 926 00:44:05,510 --> 00:44:03,060 he went out to space Wolf research with 927 00:44:08,270 --> 00:44:05,520 another group and it's when the property 928 00:44:10,730 --> 00:44:08,280 was abandoned for quite some time and 929 00:44:13,849 --> 00:44:10,740 they participated or a few of them 930 00:44:17,329 --> 00:44:13,859 participated in a blood ritual of sorts 931 00:44:20,510 --> 00:44:17,339 and old ritual yes they had some animal 932 00:44:24,109 --> 00:44:20,520 blood and they had some special uh 933 00:44:26,290 --> 00:44:24,119 ritual information on how to engage in 934 00:44:30,050 --> 00:44:26,300 trying to connect with these entities 935 00:44:32,930 --> 00:44:30,060 and a few of them did this and they set 936 00:44:35,270 --> 00:44:32,940 up camp on this when this was abandoned 937 00:44:37,970 --> 00:44:35,280 and empty and this was before I 938 00:44:39,530 --> 00:44:37,980 purchased the property now it was at the 939 00:44:41,450 --> 00:44:39,540 same location where we've had other 940 00:44:43,430 --> 00:44:41,460 things happen since and I I didn't know 941 00:44:46,130 --> 00:44:43,440 that this particular story happened on 942 00:44:48,109 --> 00:44:46,140 my property until years later but it was 943 00:44:49,550 --> 00:44:48,119 it was widespread in the Paranormal 944 00:44:53,150 --> 00:44:49,560 Community here 945 00:44:55,490 --> 00:44:53,160 and for lack of a better word they had a 946 00:44:58,970 --> 00:44:55,500 variety of strange things happen his 947 00:45:02,329 --> 00:44:58,980 name was rich Oliver and he was with uh 948 00:45:04,670 --> 00:45:02,339 a couple other people met growing and uh 949 00:45:07,490 --> 00:45:04,680 April Slaughter and a variety of others 950 00:45:09,770 --> 00:45:07,500 and they had set up a camp they made a 951 00:45:12,890 --> 00:45:09,780 fire and some of the things that 952 00:45:15,950 --> 00:45:12,900 happened were Matt had what can only be 953 00:45:20,089 --> 00:45:15,960 described as a massive prehistoric crab 954 00:45:22,190 --> 00:45:20,099 a black crab Shuffle across the desert 955 00:45:25,450 --> 00:45:22,200 landscape and latch onto his leg and 956 00:45:29,089 --> 00:45:25,460 take a piece out of his leg and 957 00:45:31,069 --> 00:45:29,099 yes it sounds far-fetched and this 958 00:45:32,829 --> 00:45:31,079 should be horrifying it was seen by all 959 00:45:35,750 --> 00:45:32,839 and 960 00:45:37,130 --> 00:45:35,760 instead of being horrified by this they 961 00:45:38,450 --> 00:45:37,140 were all laughing about it and thought 962 00:45:41,270 --> 00:45:38,460 this was quite 963 00:45:44,030 --> 00:45:41,280 funny and hilarious uh and that happens 964 00:45:46,550 --> 00:45:44,040 often the emotions of the participants 965 00:45:49,430 --> 00:45:46,560 can be manipulated it seems by the 966 00:45:51,950 --> 00:45:49,440 energy and later on this gentleman Rich 967 00:45:54,290 --> 00:45:51,960 Oliver came face to face with something 968 00:45:56,870 --> 00:45:54,300 that was taller than him and he he was 969 00:46:00,470 --> 00:45:56,880 about your size very very large 970 00:46:02,510 --> 00:46:00,480 individual and Rich excused himself from 971 00:46:06,230 --> 00:46:02,520 the fire to go and relieve himself by 972 00:46:10,270 --> 00:46:06,240 one of the vehicles and he had a very 973 00:46:12,970 --> 00:46:10,280 amorphous uh almost alien 974 00:46:15,829 --> 00:46:12,980 extraterrestrial looking large entity 975 00:46:18,309 --> 00:46:15,839 grab him by the neck and lift him off 976 00:46:23,390 --> 00:46:18,319 the ground and as I said he's a big guy 977 00:46:27,770 --> 00:46:25,190 he said when he was looking directly 978 00:46:30,890 --> 00:46:27,780 into this entity's eyes he could almost 979 00:46:32,870 --> 00:46:30,900 see like sparkles in its eyes and I 980 00:46:35,450 --> 00:46:32,880 should also mention that there are 981 00:46:38,690 --> 00:46:35,460 drawings of this online if you if you 982 00:46:43,010 --> 00:46:38,700 look up rich Oliver and skinwalker 983 00:46:43,849 --> 00:46:43,020 area or uh you can you can find you can 984 00:46:48,710 --> 00:46:43,859 find 985 00:46:52,190 --> 00:46:48,720 drawings of this entity that seems very 986 00:46:54,109 --> 00:46:52,200 not of this plane not of this Dimension 987 00:46:56,569 --> 00:46:54,119 and he said that he could see what 988 00:46:59,390 --> 00:46:56,579 seemed like bugs flying in and out of it 989 00:47:02,270 --> 00:46:59,400 so it seemed to be created by these 990 00:47:04,670 --> 00:47:02,280 smaller objects or particulates as well 991 00:47:07,130 --> 00:47:04,680 similar to what I saw with that wolf 992 00:47:10,130 --> 00:47:07,140 being manifested with another researcher 993 00:47:12,050 --> 00:47:10,140 so it does seem that when you have these 994 00:47:14,150 --> 00:47:12,060 face-to-face interactions 995 00:47:16,970 --> 00:47:14,160 that are inches away that it can get 996 00:47:17,890 --> 00:47:16,980 fairly dangerous and this particular 997 00:47:20,750 --> 00:47:17,900 person 998 00:47:22,730 --> 00:47:20,760 uh among the others they all had what 999 00:47:25,910 --> 00:47:22,740 they claimed were nasal implants which 1000 00:47:28,870 --> 00:47:25,920 is interesting yeah 1001 00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:28,880 and and Rich very interesting 1002 00:47:34,190 --> 00:47:32,160 yeah and Rich Oliver died of brain 1003 00:47:36,349 --> 00:47:34,200 cancer which is 1004 00:47:38,030 --> 00:47:36,359 unfortunate but does kind of lend 1005 00:47:40,910 --> 00:47:38,040 Credence to that belief that they all 1006 00:47:42,170 --> 00:47:40,920 have nasal implants 1007 00:47:45,349 --> 00:47:42,180 okay 1008 00:47:49,910 --> 00:47:45,359 I want the war what's it what that could 1009 00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:55,069 again maybe it's very strange 1010 00:48:01,010 --> 00:47:57,230 very strange 1011 00:48:04,250 --> 00:48:01,020 yeah at one point they did get uh what 1012 00:48:06,410 --> 00:48:04,260 is that uh hypnosis um to try to figure 1013 00:48:09,530 --> 00:48:06,420 out more about their experiences 1014 00:48:11,510 --> 00:48:09,540 all right yeah yeah and what they found 1015 00:48:12,650 --> 00:48:11,520 is that these nasal implants according 1016 00:48:15,589 --> 00:48:12,660 to 1017 00:48:18,230 --> 00:48:15,599 all of their hypnosis sessions they 1018 00:48:20,690 --> 00:48:18,240 believed that this entity that placed 1019 00:48:23,630 --> 00:48:20,700 the nasal impedance there wanted them to 1020 00:48:26,329 --> 00:48:23,640 bring more people out there so it wanted 1021 00:48:27,650 --> 00:48:26,339 to engage with more individuals in sort 1022 00:48:31,010 --> 00:48:27,660 of a 1023 00:48:33,290 --> 00:48:31,020 reciprocal fashion so I don't know 1024 00:48:34,970 --> 00:48:33,300 just how how much Credence to put into 1025 00:48:36,170 --> 00:48:34,980 that but I thought that that's an 1026 00:48:39,230 --> 00:48:36,180 interesting small piece of information 1027 00:48:42,050 --> 00:48:39,240 yes very interesting very interested 1028 00:48:44,510 --> 00:48:42,060 I mean maybe it was you don't know there 1029 00:48:47,750 --> 00:48:44,520 you go we can we can only assume 1030 00:48:49,670 --> 00:48:47,760 mm-hmm maybe they were 1031 00:48:52,609 --> 00:48:49,680 maybe it was going to feed off obviously 1032 00:48:54,770 --> 00:48:52,619 some way are you I mean who knows 1033 00:48:57,109 --> 00:48:54,780 it's a terrifying and frightening 1034 00:49:00,950 --> 00:48:57,119 possibility it's possible yeah but 1035 00:49:05,870 --> 00:49:04,010 just just the thought I mean he just 1036 00:49:09,530 --> 00:49:05,880 don't know do you 1037 00:49:11,809 --> 00:49:09,540 God it is you know what's odd is the 1038 00:49:14,150 --> 00:49:11,819 first-hand experiences with things that 1039 00:49:17,089 --> 00:49:14,160 should not be able to exist are quite 1040 00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:17,099 common as you mentioned this phenomena 1041 00:49:22,309 --> 00:49:19,920 tends to mask itself as a variety of 1042 00:49:24,710 --> 00:49:22,319 different things it is quite literally a 1043 00:49:28,430 --> 00:49:24,720 shape shifter of sorts the way it mimics 1044 00:49:31,250 --> 00:49:28,440 other things and can take on different 1045 00:49:33,230 --> 00:49:31,260 aspects that 1046 00:49:35,450 --> 00:49:33,240 you know you never really know what 1047 00:49:37,190 --> 00:49:35,460 you're going to be up against so they're 1048 00:49:38,990 --> 00:49:37,200 like you mentioned there's a wide 1049 00:49:41,329 --> 00:49:39,000 variety and it's hard to conceive 1050 00:49:44,710 --> 00:49:41,339 exactly what you're going to encounter 1051 00:49:48,290 --> 00:49:44,720 each time you go if anything 1052 00:49:51,950 --> 00:49:48,300 is so or unpredictable 1053 00:49:55,490 --> 00:49:51,960 especially with those that many 1054 00:49:58,250 --> 00:49:55,500 possibilities of different tendencies 1055 00:49:59,750 --> 00:49:58,260 I mean it's saying if there's aerial is 1056 00:50:02,829 --> 00:49:59,760 on the ground 1057 00:50:06,230 --> 00:50:02,839 did you see orbs as well 1058 00:50:08,510 --> 00:50:06,240 orbs are quite uh you see a vast number 1059 00:50:11,510 --> 00:50:08,520 of those and those have interesting 1060 00:50:13,430 --> 00:50:11,520 variables as well a number of them are 1061 00:50:17,030 --> 00:50:13,440 different colors 1062 00:50:20,030 --> 00:50:17,040 um you get amber colored blue colored 1063 00:50:22,670 --> 00:50:20,040 red colored and everything in between so 1064 00:50:25,390 --> 00:50:22,680 there seems to be different 1065 00:50:28,490 --> 00:50:25,400 aspects to each different color 1066 00:50:29,930 --> 00:50:28,500 and some of them are more dangerous than 1067 00:50:31,970 --> 00:50:29,940 others but yeah you get different 1068 00:50:34,550 --> 00:50:31,980 variables even when it comes to the orbs 1069 00:50:38,150 --> 00:50:34,560 another very strange 1070 00:50:39,890 --> 00:50:38,160 and yet somewhat common phenomenon when 1071 00:50:43,130 --> 00:50:39,900 it comes to shape shifters and Skin 1072 00:50:47,150 --> 00:50:43,140 Walkers is what they call the whistling 1073 00:50:49,130 --> 00:50:47,160 man which is basically it it's someone 1074 00:50:51,530 --> 00:50:49,140 whistling along the boundaries of your 1075 00:50:53,690 --> 00:50:51,540 fence line and they're walking and 1076 00:50:55,910 --> 00:50:53,700 this is something that Native Americans 1077 00:50:58,910 --> 00:50:55,920 extremely 1078 00:51:01,190 --> 00:50:58,920 forbid engaging with and they urge 1079 00:51:03,410 --> 00:51:01,200 people to not follow the whistling man 1080 00:51:05,650 --> 00:51:03,420 or the whistling itself or go indoors 1081 00:51:09,890 --> 00:51:05,660 not engage in any way shape or form 1082 00:51:10,910 --> 00:51:09,900 another is also a Native American 1083 00:51:13,730 --> 00:51:10,920 yeah 1084 00:51:16,970 --> 00:51:13,740 myth or lore and that is what they call 1085 00:51:20,450 --> 00:51:16,980 water babies which is the sound that can 1086 00:51:23,750 --> 00:51:20,460 most be described as a child crying near 1087 00:51:28,430 --> 00:51:23,760 a Waterway and this is another one yeah 1088 00:51:30,470 --> 00:51:28,440 also one to one to not engage with so 1089 00:51:33,109 --> 00:51:30,480 even though you hear you know it's a 1090 00:51:35,329 --> 00:51:33,119 human response if you hear a child or a 1091 00:51:37,390 --> 00:51:35,339 baby crying next to a Waterway it's a 1092 00:51:41,030 --> 00:51:37,400 human response to go directly to that 1093 00:51:44,390 --> 00:51:41,040 however the likelihood In This Very 1094 00:51:46,670 --> 00:51:44,400 Barren and rugged area for that to be 1095 00:51:49,609 --> 00:51:46,680 actually taking place it's highly 1096 00:51:51,170 --> 00:51:49,619 unlikely so it's quite common but this 1097 00:51:55,370 --> 00:51:51,180 is something that Native Americans 1098 00:51:58,790 --> 00:51:55,380 strongly urge people to not engage with 1099 00:52:02,210 --> 00:51:58,800 the uh right at the 1100 00:52:04,069 --> 00:52:02,220 I presuming that you talk to some of the 1101 00:52:06,049 --> 00:52:04,079 natives now but they must have got to 1102 00:52:09,230 --> 00:52:06,059 know you over the years 1103 00:52:11,750 --> 00:52:09,240 did they actually uh divorce to what 1104 00:52:13,790 --> 00:52:11,760 these uh water babies are on the 1105 00:52:15,410 --> 00:52:13,800 whistling manners I didn't do not talk 1106 00:52:18,290 --> 00:52:15,420 about it 1107 00:52:21,609 --> 00:52:18,300 yes they they tend to believe that they 1108 00:52:23,270 --> 00:52:21,619 are Elemental in nature and dark spirits 1109 00:52:26,270 --> 00:52:23,280 Elementals 1110 00:52:28,549 --> 00:52:26,280 definitely something that that same 1111 00:52:33,309 --> 00:52:28,559 premise of avoidance their Immortal 1112 00:52:36,170 --> 00:52:33,319 entities and they are to be avoided uh 1113 00:52:37,910 --> 00:52:36,180 the tales of what happens when people do 1114 00:52:39,890 --> 00:52:37,920 engage with these 1115 00:52:41,870 --> 00:52:39,900 entities 1116 00:52:43,790 --> 00:52:41,880 cause a lot of concern and it usually 1117 00:52:45,530 --> 00:52:43,800 ends up with the people drowning somehow 1118 00:52:51,670 --> 00:52:45,540 in the water 1119 00:52:59,569 --> 00:52:55,910 you can understand why they uh advise on 1120 00:53:05,390 --> 00:53:02,290 it's a 1121 00:53:09,109 --> 00:53:05,400 it is just 1122 00:53:11,390 --> 00:53:09,119 it sounds so crazy but still even though 1123 00:53:14,049 --> 00:53:11,400 it does not sound good it's still 1124 00:53:20,210 --> 00:53:18,710 yeah I mean we it just just uh can I 1125 00:53:22,490 --> 00:53:20,220 just ask you one last question please 1126 00:53:24,470 --> 00:53:22,500 mate but uh of course 1127 00:53:26,950 --> 00:53:24,480 Skin Walkers 1128 00:53:31,370 --> 00:53:26,960 are they 1129 00:53:34,130 --> 00:53:31,380 if through what you've experienced 1130 00:53:37,490 --> 00:53:34,140 you think there's a possibility that um 1131 00:53:40,010 --> 00:53:37,500 the skin workers are a bloodline of some 1132 00:53:46,849 --> 00:53:44,270 the the darker depths that follow the 1133 00:53:49,370 --> 00:53:46,859 deadly Realms of the magic surrounding 1134 00:53:51,829 --> 00:53:49,380 skinwalkers do tend to genetically 1135 00:53:54,950 --> 00:53:51,839 follow the same bloodlines 1136 00:53:57,349 --> 00:53:54,960 so that's very interesting 1137 00:54:00,829 --> 00:53:57,359 in a short answer yes 1138 00:54:04,849 --> 00:54:04,190 and at least still now at least still 1139 00:54:08,569 --> 00:54:04,859 um 1140 00:54:09,829 --> 00:54:08,579 delivered to speaker skin workers so to 1141 00:54:12,589 --> 00:54:09,839 speak 1142 00:54:14,270 --> 00:54:12,599 absolutely I only have a couple of 1143 00:54:17,150 --> 00:54:14,280 Native American friends that will 1144 00:54:21,950 --> 00:54:17,160 actually even engage in the conversation 1145 00:54:22,730 --> 00:54:21,960 with me and even then they ask that we 1146 00:54:24,950 --> 00:54:22,740 don't 1147 00:54:27,410 --> 00:54:24,960 speak of them by name 1148 00:54:30,770 --> 00:54:27,420 and they have concerns about the 1149 00:54:34,250 --> 00:54:30,780 confidentiality to protect themselves 1150 00:54:37,549 --> 00:54:34,260 uh when discussing it with other people 1151 00:54:41,089 --> 00:54:37,559 and in fact some of the elders are super 1152 00:54:44,770 --> 00:54:41,099 guarded uh okay discussing the creature 1153 00:54:51,950 --> 00:54:49,609 fascinating me it's still uh 1154 00:54:53,809 --> 00:54:51,960 it's still one of those 1155 00:54:57,589 --> 00:54:53,819 um 1156 00:54:59,750 --> 00:54:57,599 one of those entities that uh it's just 1157 00:55:01,549 --> 00:54:59,760 so interesting because of the year the 1158 00:55:05,390 --> 00:55:01,559 capabilities 1159 00:55:09,069 --> 00:55:05,400 I could transform into other creatures 1160 00:55:13,190 --> 00:55:09,079 like Birds 1161 00:55:22,849 --> 00:55:17,329 it's 1162 00:55:25,370 --> 00:55:22,859 technology that's the way I see it and I 1163 00:55:28,910 --> 00:55:25,380 think it's important to note as well 1164 00:55:30,829 --> 00:55:28,920 something that is often said is that not 1165 00:55:33,470 --> 00:55:30,839 all Native American witches are Skin 1166 00:55:36,170 --> 00:55:33,480 Walkers but that all skinwalkers are 1167 00:55:37,849 --> 00:55:36,180 witches and 1168 00:55:40,970 --> 00:55:37,859 somehow 1169 00:55:43,490 --> 00:55:40,980 it seems like some of these witches 1170 00:55:46,370 --> 00:55:43,500 turned from being Protectors of the 1171 00:55:48,410 --> 00:55:46,380 tribe and instead they began to use 1172 00:55:49,490 --> 00:55:48,420 their powers for evil and destructive 1173 00:55:52,430 --> 00:55:49,500 purposes 1174 00:55:55,430 --> 00:55:52,440 and as mentioned before yeah it's it's 1175 00:55:57,410 --> 00:55:55,440 it's a very very layered and complex 1176 00:56:01,010 --> 00:55:57,420 situation 1177 00:56:04,010 --> 00:56:01,020 yeah yeah it sounds it it sounds uh it 1178 00:56:06,109 --> 00:56:04,020 sounds very supportive but in the same 1179 00:56:10,030 --> 00:56:06,119 aspect 1180 00:56:14,030 --> 00:56:10,040 I mean your hair Tails were they were 1181 00:56:16,430 --> 00:56:14,040 salsa light Heroes so to speak of the 1182 00:56:21,530 --> 00:56:16,440 the tribe you know about them when like 1183 00:56:26,510 --> 00:56:24,530 you know allegedly they used to go like 1184 00:56:31,130 --> 00:56:26,520 uh 1185 00:56:33,530 --> 00:56:31,140 you know like protect the tribe whereas 1186 00:56:34,849 --> 00:56:33,540 it's like not what you think from what 1187 00:56:36,589 --> 00:56:34,859 you hear now 1188 00:56:40,010 --> 00:56:36,599 if you know what I mean 1189 00:56:43,010 --> 00:56:40,020 sure sure and it's 1190 00:56:45,530 --> 00:56:43,020 there are some for for people that are 1191 00:56:48,710 --> 00:56:45,540 just horrified by this which is good and 1192 00:56:51,710 --> 00:56:48,720 natural to be yeah scared of these 1193 00:56:53,690 --> 00:56:51,720 things uh there are some protections of 1194 00:56:56,690 --> 00:56:53,700 course many of them are widespread and 1195 00:57:01,130 --> 00:56:56,700 well known such as they hate the smell 1196 00:57:03,790 --> 00:57:01,140 of burning sage and it reminds me it's 1197 00:57:06,549 --> 00:57:03,800 similar to the wendigo that's another 1198 00:57:09,829 --> 00:57:06,559 excited the wendigo yeah 1199 00:57:12,650 --> 00:57:09,839 they also seem to hate the smell of 1200 00:57:14,569 --> 00:57:12,660 burning sage and although no one really 1201 00:57:16,370 --> 00:57:14,579 wishes to ever meet either one of these 1202 00:57:17,809 --> 00:57:16,380 it's not a bad idea 1203 00:57:21,170 --> 00:57:17,819 you have sage and a lighter with you 1204 00:57:23,510 --> 00:57:21,180 when you're in these areas yeah 1205 00:57:28,609 --> 00:57:23,520 we'll be under that mate we'll see 1206 00:57:33,770 --> 00:57:29,930 um 1207 00:57:37,849 --> 00:57:33,780 right you uh blow my mind seriously I 1208 00:57:43,609 --> 00:57:37,859 think this is truly fascinating 1209 00:57:54,049 --> 00:57:46,609 very lucky indeed by uh 1210 00:57:57,710 --> 00:57:55,430 hey 1211 00:57:59,569 --> 00:57:57,720 thank you very much Ryan uh but before 1212 00:58:00,730 --> 00:57:59,579 you go would you like to let everyone 1213 00:58:04,250 --> 00:58:00,740 know 1214 00:58:09,170 --> 00:58:05,569 oh yeah 1215 00:58:11,809 --> 00:58:09,180 um so you can um keep up with things 1216 00:58:13,210 --> 00:58:11,819 taking place at uh let's see you can go 1217 00:58:15,470 --> 00:58:13,220 to 1218 00:58:17,750 --> 00:58:15,480 spacewolfresearch.com that is the name 1219 00:58:19,910 --> 00:58:17,760 of the base camp 1220 00:58:22,250 --> 00:58:19,920 um we're also on social media such as 1221 00:58:24,349 --> 00:58:22,260 Facebook uh you can keep up with the 1222 00:58:27,410 --> 00:58:24,359 podcast it's just a small podcast where 1223 00:58:29,930 --> 00:58:27,420 I discuss things that interest me and 1224 00:58:32,690 --> 00:58:29,940 that is hero paranormal you can find 1225 00:58:35,690 --> 00:58:32,700 that on patreon or on YouTube please 1226 00:58:38,589 --> 00:58:35,700 like And subscribe I'm heavily Shadow 1227 00:58:40,670 --> 00:58:38,599 banned on there given some of the 1228 00:58:43,849 --> 00:58:40,680 terrifying and frightening things that I 1229 00:58:45,349 --> 00:58:43,859 like to discuss uh and if you are 1230 00:58:49,549 --> 00:58:45,359 interested in a book you can find those 1231 00:58:53,809 --> 00:58:49,559 on Amazon or go to ryanpatrickburns.com 1232 00:58:56,569 --> 00:58:53,819 brilliant mate uh thanks again Ryan 1233 00:58:58,609 --> 00:58:56,579 it's fascinating it truly is fascinating 1234 00:59:00,170 --> 00:58:58,619 I want to start recording now mate but 1235 00:59:21,890 --> 00:59:00,180 thank you very much thank you very much 1236 00:59:31,390 --> 00:59:25,630 I met this six-year-old child with this 1237 00:59:35,630 --> 00:59:33,910 the blackest diet 1238 00:59:39,910 --> 00:59:35,640 the devil's eyes 1239 00:59:42,829 --> 00:59:39,920 [Music] 1240 00:59:43,990 --> 00:59:42,839 you take the red pill you stay in 1241 00:59:46,910 --> 00:59:44,000 Wonderland 1242 00:59:53,109 --> 00:59:46,920 and I show you how deep the rabbit hole 1243 00:59:53,119 --> 00:59:58,300 I'm here